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Jeff, I have had the luxury of seeing what you haven't in my 30 plus years in the business.For starters weakness in the bust is no tell tale for any coin being PL or not Specimen.1946,1947ML,1948,1950 Arn and 1952WL specimen dollars all come with weak portraits.1955 PL quaters and many 1960's coins of PL striking come with full struck portraits. The 1953NSS special strikes are different than the the SS special strikes. The 1953 SS PL's are struck no different than 1954 coins that we designate PL today.The PL coins are struck with less pressure than the NSS SP coins struck earlier by the RCM. The 1953 NSS sets are extremely rare and were issued in red leather boxes that were made specifically for that set...this is box 12 in Charlton and is a little bulkier than box 10 that was used from 1937-52. I bought four of these sets from one person in the mid 80's at a Montreal show....every coin was NSS and specimen...no mix and match as you suggest. These sets were found in a safe deposit box in Hull. All the nice SP coins in the market today came from those 4 sets I suspect.....including the 1953 $ in SP67. I have seen only 3 or 4 other boxes in 30 years and some had switched out coins....ie MS coins represented as SP. The SP coins removed sold and MS coins that come amazing quality were put in the box to mis represent the set. To explain the differences in SP and PL strikes can be taxing without showing physical coins. There are several characteristics that can help you see the difference. 1) PL coins will have a tingling of luster in the fields and many exibit cartwheel effect.This is true on most but not all coins....larger coins exibit this except for the one color strikes of 1953 and 1954....more confusion for you.SP coins will have lifeless fields that are flat and will never exibit cartwheel effect 2)PL coins will have dishing in the fields ...the fields on SP coins will be flat. Dishing is slight level changes in the fields as they approach letters and denticles. The fields rise up slightly. SP coins don't exibit this....if you have a NSS coin with this feature then you likely have an MS coin. 3)If you think you have a NSS coin that is PL just look at the tops of the letters...if they aren't as smooth as a babies butt then you have a high quality MS coin. 4) SP strikes will have just a bit better definition than PL strikes.This is most evident in lettering and lettering depth.

There are many carded sets out there that get sold as PL and SP sets but most are high quality MS sets...you will never find an original SP set in a card or an original PL set in a box....just didn't come that way....as far as mix and match....5 cent coins of this date rust easily and many were switched out of PL sets and the odd SP set....darkened pennies were also switched out for bright MS strikes.

The years of confusion happened because of lack of research and study.Many grading companies continue to get it wrong...PCGS doesn't any more. The Belberg coins shown in this post were coins sent to PCGS in ICCS holders and they concurred and crossed the coins in error.....I bought both these coins and corrected them at a financial loss but a numismatic gain.

PCGS does not use these designations because it is neat and tidy...they do it because it is correct...neat and tidy just happens to be the end result.

Sandy Campbell, 4/17/2011
CCRS member since: 1/4/2005
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